Take Good Care: Season 5 Episode 13 – That’s A Wrap!

Dr. Williams:
Welcome to Take Good Care podcast. An endeavor that grew out of our love for obstetrics and gynecology.
Our aim and mission is to serve as a source of vital information for women of all races, ages, and walks in life.
I am Dr. Mironda Williams.

Dr. Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.

Dr. Greene:
And I’m Dr. Karen Greene.

All Doctors:
Welcome to our show.

Dr. Williams:
Welcome to this episode of Take Good Care podcast. I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.

Dr. Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.

Dr. Greene:
And I’m Dr. Karen Greene.

Dr. Williams:
Today, we are recording our final episode for season five. And who would’ve thunk that starting in the middle of the pandemic, for those who came struggling and screaming and crying… she’s a pro at this point. So, we’re just going to talk a little bit about season five, what things we were able to accomplish, what went down during season five for Take Good Care podcast.
We invite all of you who may just be finding us for the first time, wherever you’re getting your podcast, or on our website, to go back and check out, not just earlier episodes for season five, but our previous four episodes, to see how we’ve grown, how we’ve changed, how we’ve gotten a little more comfortable. And hopefully, a little bit more engaging for you in terms of the things that we have covered.
So, in season five this year, we opened by revisiting our origin story. Again, we started the podcast in March of 2020 when the world shut down. And so, we, as everyone, was reevaluating and trying to figure out how we could reinvent ourselves and stay connected with each other and with our patient base and our larger community.
And so, we talked about our origin story then, but then, we realized that we stopped very early in our history and that we didn’t really talk a lot about, at that time, what has happened since the year 2000 until now, which is hard to think it’s almost a quarter century. It’s like 24 years. How did that happen?

Dr. Guthrie:
Wow.

Dr. Williams:
How much did that time go? And then, after we talked a little bit about that, or a lot of bit about that, it helped usher in the conversations we were having, because we embarked on a rebranding journey.
After 30 years in practice, 35 years in practice, we decided to rebrand ourselves. And so, the next few episodes talked about that journey, how we came to changing our name, what that process was like. And then, landing on our new name, Rosa Gynecology, which is a nod to our past, and that’s what the origin stories kind of talked about. But also, as a bridge to the future. Because as we remind our patients and our staff and ourselves, that we’re not going anywhere, we’re not retiring, our practice is not ending. We’re growing, we’re flourishing.
And if you’ve listened to our most recent podcast where we met with our founding physician, this is a place to thrive. That’s what this has been for, now, 40 years, is that we will be celebrating our 40th anniversary. And so, after that, we launched into a new series that has really been exciting, where we’ve had guests, some who’ve been here in person in our studio, and some who’ve joined us virtually to, really, have some very rich and in-depth conversations with each other with them that helped us to really look at a number of different things that we’ve talked about in the past with previous seasons, but really, by getting some guests in place, allowed us to really kind of deepen our understanding and our conversation.
So, we had guests that talked about colon health and colon screening, and why that’s important, and how we can approach that holistically. We had conversations about dealing with grief with a colleague of ours who had very personal experience with that, and really, I think, helped to broaden our own understanding of the grief process, and how we talk about that with those who are grieving and with ourselves as we have had to go through our own grief challenges.
We’ve had conversations in those episodes about mental health, how we can advocate for our own mental health, with the mental health for our loved ones. We had conversations about pelvic health, and different ways that we can try to maximize that. And then, we concluded with our last two episodes in that series on fertility challenges and other pathways to parenthood, as well as, DE&I. So, it’s been a busy, busy season five.
This has been a busy year.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
I’m a little tired.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Guthrie:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
And it’s only four months and five months of the year.

Dr. Greene:
Five months of the year.

Dr. Williams:
I feel tired. But then, when I went back and looked at all this stuff we did in addition to our day job…

Dr. Greene:
Now, I know why.

Dr. Williams:
So, it’s been a lot. Then, we concluded this season with a great conversation with Dr. Rosemary Schultz and Ms. Carolyn Weston. Dr. Schultz founded our practice in January of 1984, and then, Carolyn came on board shortly after that as her practice manager, and was there for over 25 years or so. And so, that was a wonderful conversation.
But listening to all of that and thinking back through all of that, was there anything that stands out for you? Anything that was a highlight, or just, what are y’all thinking as hearing about it? There’s a lot. It was a lot.

Dr. Guthrie:
Every episode had its own special… What’s the word I’m looking for?

Dr. Greene:
Je ne sais quoi?

Dr. Guthrie:
Yeah. There you go. That gave something. Our first guest, as I mentioned before, she hit us with that phrase, know who you serve… What was it? Because we were going to put it on a plaque.

Dr. Williams:
Right. Remember…

Dr. Guthrie:
Remember…

Dr. Williams:
… who you are and who you serve.

Dr. Guthrie:
Who you serve.

Dr. Greene:
Yes.

Dr. Guthrie:
And so, that was something that really hit me. Because you feel like you’re competing with so many external forces, but you can almost kind of put them aside. Yes, you have to do your best, you want to put your best foot forward. You want people to see you and recognize you. But there’s also that internal competition that you have with yourself.
And you can be very hard on yourself. You can beat yourself down. You cannot give yourself grace. And so, that just really spoke to me.

Dr. Williams:
That’s good. I’m glad you brought that up, Deanna. Because… You’re right. I remember she said that, that hit us. We’re like-

Dr. Guthrie:
We’re like, “Whoa”.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah. That was deep.

Dr. Williams:
That’s deep.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
And then, you get busy, life happens. And to her point, it’s so important to just stop and say, “Wait, wait, wait. Remember who I am. Remember who I serve, and why I do what I do”. Just to reset and to refocus when things can get a little chaotic.

Dr. Guthrie:
Yeah.

Dr. Greene:
I think it’s funny because it is important to think about… I had actually forgotten about that, until you mentioned it now. But you’re right, that you do get kind of in that little hamster wheel. You come in, you see the patient, you do the exam and pap. And we have a lot of stuff that we do…

Dr. Guthrie:
As rote.

Dr. Greene:
As rote.

Dr. Guthrie:
Muscle memory.

Dr. Greene:
Muscle memory. We could do it practically with our eyes closed. I mean, because we’ve been doing it for so long.
But one of the beauty of just doing GYN and doing this podcast is that we get to focus on some of the stuff we really enjoy doing. And for me, it’s, I enjoy talking to my patients. I enjoy having the conversation with them, of “How are you doing?” “How are you really doing?”

Dr. Williams:
How are you really doing?

Dr. Greene:
And so, to remember that, that’s the part that I really enjoy. Because the rest of the stuff, I could do that forever without much thought. But it’s my connection with the patient, and that’s who I serve.

Dr. Guthrie:
Or even long-term patients that you look forward to seeing every year.

Dr. Greene:
Yes.

Dr. Guthrie:
You know that’s going to be a nice conversation when they come in, that you share. So, it’s not just them coming in with medical problems or their wellness visit or whatever, but you get to share with them.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, and that’s what I really appreciate about the podcast. We started it, as we say, to be real, to be relatable, to be relevant. But I think it’s helped us individually to continue to refocus and sharpen our reason for being. And I think that’s what the rebranding process, really, was about.
Think about how you get stuck, right? You get stuck in a space because it’s comfortable. It’s familiar, it’s what you know, it’s what you’ve always done, and it was successful. It wasn’t that it was bad, but it was still kind of stuck. And then, when we really started to… With the help of our wonderful marketing firm, Lenz Marketing, that held us by the hand through the process of really getting to, well, that was good for then, but does it really represent who you are now?

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
And the process that we did as a corporation, as a business to arrive at our new name also helped me individually to say, “Okay. The previous iterations of my journey have been good”. We’ve all had good educational advances, professional advances, those kinds of things, but that doesn’t mean that it has to stay like that. Because we should all continue to evolve as people.
And so, maybe, I need to rethink about what it means to say I’m Miranda now, and also, to help me begin to think about how do I want Miranda to be in the future as things change.
And Dr. Greene, I know you are in a particularly interesting space right now, because you’re about to be an empty nester.

Dr. Greene:
Yes, I am. Yes, I am.

Dr. Williams:
And so, that’s a change.

Dr. Greene:
And it is. And I think that it’s all coming at a time where, I remember how I felt when I got here, and having Rose and them come back. I just remembered just kind of that wide-eyed, and I’m excited, I just couldn’t wait to do all the things.
And I still enjoy doing the things. I still get excited about surgery, but I’m at a different stage in my life where I’m no longer, in a couple of months, running around doing kids’ activities, but I still have my job. And now, what else do I want to do? And I do think the podcast has made me start to think about who else am I outside of being…

Dr. Guthrie:
Mommy.

Dr. Greene:
… Glen’s mom, Paul’s mom, and Glen’s wife. Who else am I? And Dr. Greene. Because there’s more to me. I always said when the kids got older, I would. And so, now, it’s, I got to end that sentence.
And so, I think that the whole empty nest, yeah, it’ll be a little empty, but I think it’s an opportunity for us to do some things that we couldn’t really do, interests that I’ve had, or what do you do for fun? We had that conversation.

Dr. Williams:
That whole conversation.

Dr. Greene:
It’s like, okay, what do you do for fun? I can figure that out.

Dr. Williams:
And it’s great that… Like you said, you see it as an opportunity. You know, what you all did… We were talking about this the other day. You did your job as parents. You raised these wonderful young men. They’re accomplished academically, physically, athletically. Now, it’s their time to venture out and figure out their way in the world.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
But that just means that it’s not an ending for you and your husband. There’s just another opportunity. It’s a different way to think about it, and then, what you can do now going forward.
Dr. Guthrie, what about you?

Dr. Guthrie:
Never had kids of my own, so I don’t have… My empty nest was giving up OB. So, that was what kind of, can consume your life with your time. That’s what it mainly is, is your time.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah, so true.

Dr. Guthrie:
So, I remember when we decided to stop doing OB, I was like, “Well, what am I going to…

Dr. Greene:
What am I going to do?

Dr. Guthrie:
But like you said, you have to… What things was I interested in? What did I like to do? And so, it’s kind of been a journey discovering that. I’ve had opportunities to join organizations. But, again, it’s almost like relearning yourself, because you have now have this space in your time to do things.

Dr. Williams:
And how you want to fill it. Which is so good, and where I am and what I’ve tried to do… I keep talking about retirement. I’m not going anywhere, some people. A, I got too many bills. That’s number one.
But also, I like what I do.

Dr. Greene:
Yes.

Dr. Williams:
And I think that’s the other thing for me. When it was time to step away from obstetrics, I was really ready to step away from it, for a number of reasons.
And so, once that was no longer part of our every day, every night, every weekend…

Dr. Guthrie:
Holidays.

Dr. Williams:
… every holiday, but [inaudible 00:14:02]I found myself able to enjoy medicine more.

Dr. Guthrie:
Yes.

Dr. Williams:
And, really, be able to have the energy and the mental capacity to start to invest more in my patients, to have those conversations, to take the time, to really try to understand what may be underlying some of the medical issues that may be being presented to us.
So, I really enjoy what I do every day, which is a blessing. And so, as I think about “retirement”, it has allowed me to look at it differently, right, that I’m not necessarily working to stop working. I’m just working to work differently, and understanding that it’s okay to work differently. I can start my day a little differently than I’ve done for the last 30 years, and it’s okay, because I’m still engaging myself mentally, I’m engaging myself with my colleagues, with our staff.
One of the things that Rose talked about as she and Carolyn gave us their insights over the, now, 40-year legacy of something that she started back in 1984, the one underlying constant that has been true for this practice, no matter who was here, what doctors were here, what staff was here, who was practice manager, is that this has been a place where women thrive.
And so, when she made that statement during that episode, it just really hit home, because I said that’s what Rosa Gynecology, formerly known as Peachtree City Obstetrics & Gynecology, is, it has been a place where women thrive as patients. I think we have been able to provide very good, cutting edge, compassionate, competent obstetrical and gynecological care for our patients, so that our patients, generally, are better when they come and see us. And we institute plans of care over decades.
To your point, Dr. Guthrie, it’s like that’s another beauty of what we do as gynecologists, is that we see patients throughout the expanse of their lifetime.

Dr. Greene:
Right.

Dr. Williams:
Other surgical specialties, you see them as they come in for their issues, and then, once their issue has been treated surgically, they go on about their life. It’s not somebody you see year after year after year after year.
And so, that’s a special bond.

Dr. Guthrie:
I really love that about our job.

Dr. Williams:
And I love that about our job, right?

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
Is that there’s a connection, because we see them thriving. We see how our patients thrive. We’ve seen how our staff thrives.

Dr. Greene:
Yep. Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
We’ve had staff, some who’ve been with us 20 years or more. Some who are just getting here, but even the newbies are thriving. Seeing how they’ve taken on new roles, expanding roles. And we talked about how Rose was such a good team-builder and how she was able to recognize talents and gifts that someone may not know they had, but once they were in a different role, they just blossomed.
And we’ve seen that with a lot of our staff, because when some staff like Carolyn and some other people, they’d be like, oh, God, what are we going to do now? Well, there was people in the wings just waiting to spread their wings a little bit and grow into those roles and thrive in those roles. And that’s been amazing to watch and to experience.

Dr. Greene:
You know, it’s funny, when she was talking about that, and we’re at the point where we are thinking about, as you said, retirement, and it may be far off, but it is something that we have… We are closer to retirement than we were when we started.

Dr. Williams:
Right.

Dr. Greene:
And so, we have to continue what we’ve been doing through other people.

Dr. Guthrie:
Right.

Dr. Williams:
True. That’s so… Yeah.

Dr. Greene:
So, bringing those newbies in and showing them that they can do these things. And that’s kind of… We have a new nurse practitioner and she is very new, but she’s so… It’s like she’s just a little seedling, you know? I mean, you just can see that she’s just going to… She’s going to get it, because I think we were taught well, and we will continue to teach well, because we want her to develop those same type of relationships with her patients as we’ve developed.

Dr. Williams:
Right.

Dr. Greene:
We have people that come in all the time, and they say, “I don’t know what y’all are drinking in here, but y’all are having a good old time. I need to…” I mean, and people… And no joke, people do say that a lot. They come in and they just enjoy the experience.
They enjoy sitting in the lobby watching our little videos. They enjoy coming back. And we’re just… I said, “You know, we enjoy what we do”.

Dr. Guthrie:
Had a patient this morning, as she was leaving… Because we were talking through her exam. At one point, we had to wait for something. So, we were like, “What’s the topic of the day?” We just started talking about something while we were waiting.
And then, as she was leaving, she turned to me, she goes, “It has taken me 10 years to find a good GYN doctor”. I was like, “Aww, thank you”. But I think Dr. Greene was saying, it was from our experience. We didn’t have bad experiences. I feel sorry for some physicians who, they’ve never had a good…

Dr. Williams:
Work environment.

Dr. Guthrie:
… work environment. That work for them has always been stress and grinding and fighting, and issues and things like that, where I can truly say I just…

Dr. Williams:
We didn’t have that issue.

Dr. Guthrie:
You know, like somebody who can say, I hate going into my job every day. I don’t think I’ve ever…

Dr. Greene:
Yeah. I feel for people like that. I’ll even tell people, “I wish you had the experience I do”. Because I enjoy my job, I really do. My husband talks about it all the time. He goes, “You really like what you do?” I’m like, “Well, yeah, I do”.

Dr. Williams:
And the people that you do it with.

Dr. Guthrie:
I like the people that I work with.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah. You know? It’s a fun place and it is the place you spend a lot of your time.

Dr. Williams:
A lot of your time.

Dr. Guthrie:
Majority of your time.

Dr. Greene:
So, we want it to be a place where we’re thriving, they’re thriving. And if somebody’s not, how can we fix that?

Dr. Williams:
Right. And that’s a testament to Rose.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
And we talked about that, because we were like, we got the Rose DNA, right?

Dr. Greene:
Oh, yeah.

Dr. Williams:
And so, that’s built into what we do and how we do what we do.
For instance, when she brought us on at the time, eons ago, subordinates or associate physicians were treated just like that. You were a subordinate, and you had to know your place. Rose could have done that, but she didn’t.

Dr. Greene:
She didn’t.

Dr. Williams:
So, it was very intentional that we were brought on as equals.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Guthrie:
From day one.

Dr. Williams:
From day one. And that she valued our voice, she valued our opinions, and she made us, I think, trust ourselves. Me, I know, more than may have thought, because I’m like, well, Rose thinks I’m okay to do this, so…

Dr. Greene:
I guess I can.

Dr. Williams:
… I guess I can. So, just being in that kind of a nurturing, affirming environment as women, because, again, we’ve been at this a minute, and so, there are lots of women in medicine now, Rose reminded us, when she was on the podcast, she was the first to do a lot of stuff in Fayette County as a woman…

Dr. Guthrie:
Physician.

Dr. Williams:
… physician, as a woman physician, business owner. As a woman physician, business owner, surgeon. She was, again, at the point of the ship, breaking through some of those barriers and challenges. And then, it allowed her also, I think, to have a perspective that when I bring on… And she says she never really intended for it to necessarily be just women, it’s just the way it turned out as she was bringing on new associates and new physicians.
But then, she realized the importance of having a space where we’re all considered equal and we treat each other as equal. And I think, because of that, we’ve been able to do that with our other associates.
We’ve had other physicians who’ve worked here. We have now nurse practitioners who work with us, and we try to make sure that everyone’s voice is valued and they know it’s valued.

Dr. Greene:
Because that’s just so important. I mean, I think back to my first uterine inversion. I always remember-

Dr. Williams:
Tell the people what a uterine inversion is.

Dr. Greene:
It’s like… So, normally, when the baby comes out in a vaginal delivery, that’s all that comes out. But every once in a while, the uterus decides to come out with it. Backwards.

Dr. Guthrie:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
Inside out.

Dr. Greene:
Inside out.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah.

Dr. Greene:
And so, you know what it is, even if you’ve never seen one. And so, you push it back in. But then, sometimes, when you push it back in, the bleeding continues. And then, you know you have to do something different like surgery.
Being the only doctor, at the time, we had a backup system, and my backup was Rose. It was Super Bowl weekend. These two will have Super Bowl parties. I remember this, and the reason I remember it because it had to be maybe three months in, okay, Super Bowl. So, I started in July.

Dr. Williams:
Oh, that’s true.

Dr. Greene:
Super Bowl is in January, February.

Dr. Williams:
So, you hadn’t been a year here.

Dr. Greene:
Hadn’t been a year here.

Dr. Williams:
Wow.

Dr. Greene:
I picked up the phone, I called Rose and she was there.

Dr. Williams:
Yeah.

Dr. Greene:
And that will always…

Dr. Williams:
Without a question.

Dr. Greene:
… always be important to me, because at the time, it was a given for us. But then, I see that that’s not always the case for other people.
And so, you really appreciate the fact that you could call on that person and she came. Not you figure it out yourself, you know what you’re doing. It was, I will be there.

Dr. Guthrie:
And I’m not on call tonight.

Dr. Williams:
Right. Why are you calling me?

Dr. Guthrie:
And that’s how it is with all three of us, we can always call each other. “Sorry to wake you up”. Let me ask… Maybe I got…

Dr. Williams:
I’m [inaudible 00:23:30] on call. [inaudible 00:23:30]. And be like, “Okay, hold on. Let me wake up. I’ll make sure I understand what you’re saying”. Yeah.

Dr. Greene:
And we try to teach that to our nurse practitioners, that, you have a question…

Dr. Guthrie:
Don’t hesitate.

Dr. Greene:
… don’t hesitate. Just ask the question. Because we tell kids all the time, there’s no such thing as a dumb question. It’s very true when you’re trying to work as a group of people that are trying to do better by themselves, as well as, by their patients, you have to ask the question. Because, sometimes, you just don’t know and someone else has the answer. And that’s okay.

Dr. Williams:
And the other thing that Rose and Carolyn reminded us of, from a clinical standpoint, definitely that, we’ve always had each other’s back to run things off of in terms of care of patients and things like that. But, also, I think what has been unique, I think, to this group, is that, as women, as we’ve all gone through different things in life, babies, Dr. Greene had the audacity to have her second child before…

Dr. Guthrie:
Yes. Her maternity leave.

Dr. Williams:
… the shower.

Dr. Guthrie:
And the maternity leave.

Dr. Williams:
That we had meticulously planned. And so, she had to bring the baby…

Dr. Guthrie:
To the shower.

Dr. Williams:
… to the shower. So, that was a wonderful thing. We’ve had many baby showers here for our nurse practitioners, and that, they even gave me a doggy baby shower when I got my dog.
But we’ve also had family members die.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
We’ve had some staff members who’ve had to go through divorces and separations or deaths of spouses and things like that. And so, we’ve been able to back each other up even in those circumstances. And I’m proud of that. And I’m also honored and humbled by that, to understand that that’s not normal. It should be.

Dr. Greene:
It should be.

Dr. Williams:
That you can count on the people you work with, your true work family, that, not just for the business things, not just for the things that we’re here for, but for the other things that happen in life, that we can understand it and support it, and facilitate whatever we need to do to get us all through it, so that we all thrive.

Dr. Greene:
Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
That’s been a wonderful thing, and something that we do and tend to continue as a part of that Rose DNA as we try to… Now, I think we’re all trying to replicate that DNA, whether or not we have it with other providers, physicians, but with nurse practitioners. We’re very proud. And Rose, I think, had one of the first nurse practitioners working in her office 40 years ago, to help her take care of patients well.
And again, that was not seen as a secondary or subordinate provider. Just a provider who had different clinical credentials, but was still able to take care of those patients in conjunction with the physician. I hope that we have done our best to continue to represent her, who she is as a person, as a physician, as a business owner, and just a human in terms of how she has just been a delight.
And one of the things that I have really watched her as she decided to leave clinical medicine, Rose just kept doing all kinds of stuff. She went to Costa Rica, did a yoga in the rainforest. I mean, it’s just like life doesn’t end when you step away from what this has been. You just find a new challenge, you find a new opportunity.
And I think she has continued to thrive in this part of her journey in terms of her current life. I guess she may call herself retired at this point. I don’t know if she’s still doing a little something here and there or not, but she’s just not working here. And that’s okay. We miss her dearly.
But, again, she has been a backup, even after she left the practice to go do some other things, and we were still… Every now and then, we were like, “Rose, can you just help us figure some things out?” And so, she’s always been there.
So, this has been… The podcast has been a blessing. It has been a true opportunity to allow us to expand our thought processes, expand our conversations, expand our comfort level in front of the camera, so that, now, when we do all of our fun videos, and stay tuned, the holidays are coming, what we’re going to do next.
So, it’s just been good to allow ourselves to expand as people, so that we don’t just see ourselves as what we do in terms of our profession, and that our community and our patients and our staff realize that it’s okay to be all of who you are, whatever that is. And that we support that.
And so, as we get ready to close out season five, that’s been wonderful. Again, I just want to shout out our wonderful production team, just Eldridge Media, that has really helped us these last two seasons to really branch out and expand our abilities here in the studio, as well as virtually, there’s more to come.
If you have any thoughts or questions about some of the things that you would like for us to cover in upcoming seasons, please, feel free to reach out at [email protected]. That’s our email address. [email protected].
You can also find us on our website for our practice, at rosagynecology.com. We’re on all the social media platforms, and wherever you get your podcasts. One of the things we’re thinking about, you can let us know if you’re interested, is doing a series on menopause.
I went to a book signing with a physician author who wrote a book on menopause, and she made a statement when she was talking about her book. She says, “We need to really talk about menopause more, because, as women, you’re going to live your life longer in menopause than you did having periods.” If you’re healthy and things go well, because you may start your period at 12 to 50-ish, and then, hopefully, you’ll be 80s, 90s…

Dr. Greene:
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Williams:
… so, we need to talk about that. Thankfully, we’re in an era now where it is being talked about. Oprah, everybody’s talking about menopause. So, why don’t the gynecologist talk about menopause?
So, maybe, that’s something we’ll look at doing in season six. But anyway, there are many opportunities. We want to continue our speaker series. We want to make sure we continue to bring you, our audience, our listening audience and our watching audience on YouTube, interesting voices that can help to expand the conversation.
And though I didn’t do it, because I’m going to leave the light on until you see us again, I want you all to remember that we are live and on the air. So, as we close out this season for season five, thank you again for coming on this journey with us. There’s more to come. I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.

Dr. Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.

Dr. Greene:
And I am Dr. Karen Greene. Take good care.

Dr. Williams:
There we go.

Dr. Greene:
There we go.

Dr. Williams:
Season five is a wrap.

Dr. Greene:
A wrap.

Dr. Williams:
A rapidy tap tap.