On this episode of the Take Good Care podcast, we’re joined by Dr. Anika Davis, an organizational psychologist and CEO and founder of Winning Results. Dr. Davis tells us more about herself, how she knew she wanted to be a psychologist, how she helps businesses tap into the power of people and culture to reach their highest potential, and much more.
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Dr. Mironda Williams:
Welcome to Take Good Care Podcast, an endeavor that grew out of our love for obstetrics and gynecology. Our aim and mission is to serve as a source of vital information for women of all races, ages, and walks in life.
I am Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I am Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I’m Dr. Karen Greene.
Group:
Welcome to our show.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Welcome to this episode of Take Good Care Podcast. I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I am Dr. Karen Greene.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
For our audience who’s been watching us not only this season, but our former seasons, we have a wonderful guest in studio with us today. And as you can see behind me, we are live and on the air.
Before we get started, Dr. Greene is going to tell us about our wonderful guest, how she came to meet her, and then give us a little bit of her background, and we’ll get going.
Dr. Karen Greene:
I met Dr. Davis at the gym. I think she probably introduced herself to me, because that’s just the person she is. But finding out about who she was came around just working out together, eventually exchanging names, figuring that she went to the same school as I did, and then it went from there.
I’m going to read to you all the facts and figures about Dr. Davis. She is a seasoned organizational psychologist and CEO and founder of Winning Results, where she helps businesses tap into the power of people and culture to reach their highest potential.
With a passion for improving workplace culture, Dr. Davis specializes in boosting employment engagement, productivity, and collaboration. Her strategic approach led to award-winning results for organizations across industries.
She holds a BS in Psychology from my alma mater, Duke University, and an MA in Industrial Organization Psychology from Argosy University, and an ED in Leadership and Learning in Organizations from Vanderbilt University.
Dr. Davis is also certified in the Kirton Adaption-Innovation Inventory, otherwise known as KAI, which helps teams understand how to work collaboratively to solve problems and achieve their collective goals.
Dr. Davis is passionate about helping businesses grow and professionals thrive. Whether working with individuals or entire organizations, she is about turning potential into performance and delivering results that last.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Amen. We’ll get into why it was divine intervention, really, when Anika came to us and how she has impacted our business, Rosa Gynecology, but we’ll get started first just getting to know the person. We want our audience to get to know her as we have gotten to know her over the last year and a half or so.
Karen or Deanna, who wants to kick it off with some questions just to get to know Anika?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Well, just in general, where are you from, Anika?
Dr. Anika Davis:
Well, I am a proud native New Yorker, born and raised in New York City.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, that’s another connection we have.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yes, so here we are. Dr. Greene, maybe I saw your car tag within maybe the [inaudible 00:03:20] … You know that song, “Let me be your girl”?
Dr. Karen Greene:
That might have been it, but that’s what you do. You walk up to people and you just introduce yourself, and you remember them, and you remember what’s important to them.
Now, for me, luckily, her name is Anika Davis, which is my sister’s name. My sister’s maiden name is Anika Davis.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
I didn’t know that. That’s weird.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Really?
Dr. Karen Greene:
Yes.
Dr. Anika Davis:
I didn’t know it was Davis. I knew it was Anika.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And that’s why I was texting her by mistake something that I meant to text my sister, because they’re both right next to each other. Now my sister has married, and that’s no longer her name, but they’re right next to each other in my phone.
I’m texting her, she finally is like, “I don’t think this is right.” Finally, when I looked, I went, “Ah,” and I talked to my other sister and she was like, “Yeah, you haven’t talked to her.” I was like, “Yeah, I think I’ve been texting the wrong person.”
Dr. Anika Davis:
I was born and raised in New York City. I was actually born in Manhattan, raised in the Bronx, went to high school in Brooklyn.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Brooklyn, I was born in Brooklyn.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Fort Greene, I went to Brooklyn Tech.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I left New York when I was nine. I still kind of claim it, but …
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yes. One of my husband’s friends says, “You’re a peachy apple.” I’m like, “Okay, because I’ve been here 27 years.” But when people say, “Where are you from?” “New York, and I live in Georgia,” no shade to my Georgian folks. I found an amazing family and network here in Georgia, so from there.
I went down to North Carolina to go to college, and then after that, came to Georgia when I graduated, and I’ve been here ever since.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yep, kept going south.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Sure did.
Dr. Karen Greene:
This is more of a professional question, but I kind of wondered, how did you know this is what you wanted to do? I was looking at the CV and thinking, “Okay, psychology …” and then the things that I see you do, it’s just, it fits your personality. How did you figure out that, “This is my niche”?
Dr. Anika Davis:
Okay, so I have to give you my origin story. I went to Brooklyn Tech. Brooklyn Tech is one of a … They call it specialized, unlike here in Georgia where it’s a magnet school. It’s part of the New York City public school system, but it’s an engineering school.
At the time, so many years ago, without saying how many moons ago it was, you got to choose a major your junior and senior year, so I was pre-med. I took all the AP Bio, Honors Physics, Orgo, Organic Chemistry, did all of those things because that was the track that I was on, went to college, entered Duke as a freshman biology major.
I was on my way. I’m going to be this doctor, because my sisters and I had talked about how we’re all going to be doctors. Get in there, I think my sophomore year I took a cognitive psychology class. It changed my world.
I was like, “This is good stuff.” So I called my parents and I was like, “I think I want to change my major.” And they were like, “Whatever you want to do, we’re happy with.” And there were people at Duke, and I’m sure you all know this in your respective walks, that if their track was not to be a doctor, their parents were pulling them out. They were like, “We’re paying this money. You’re going to be a doctor.”
My parents, of course, were very supportive, and so in that journey, I was like, “Okay, cognitive psychology,” graduated with a … so my undergraduate degree is Personality Psychopathology. By the junior and senior year of my college, I was going on to the Duke Hospital into the ward where you had to have the keys, you locked the door behind you. I worked in the psychodiagnostic lab. That was amazing. I loved it.
But then something, when I came to Georgia, I got a job in banking because everyone kept saying, “Oh, you went to Duke. If you work here, you’re not going to want to work here very long.” Well, can I make that decision?
Dr. Karen Greene:
How do you know that?
Dr. Anika Davis:
Right, how do you know that? And then I also got the question of, when I said I went to Duke, the follow-up question was, “Did you graduate?”
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Well, yeah, I understand that.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yes, right? We could have a whole episode on that.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, we could talk about that.
Dr. Anika Davis:
I’m like, okay, okay, so I got into banking. I was there for 25 plus years. So I often got the question of, “How did it work?” I would tell people, “I use my psych degree every day.”
About two or three years after being in banking, I got into training, the training department. So it kind of found me, but when I think back over my career and even prior to work, I was an RA in college, so a leadership role. Also, my mother is a pastor, a retired pastor, so I was up as a little girl at the podium speaking.
So it all just found me. And then through learning and development, training, coaching, all the things kind of fell together, and that’s where I’ve been. And I absolutely love it. It’s not a chore.
Our work together, it’s my happy place, my zone of genius, as I call it.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s wonderful. I love it. One of the things that we have been focusing on this season, and you have been instrumental in helping us with this in our professional world, but going from chaos to calm, we were blessed with the opportunity to be on the Porsha show back in the fall, and that was kind of the topic of the show, and how we in our professional careers, had to make certain changes in how we practice medicine, and how we wanted to run our business, as well as in our individual lives.
For you, if you think about that whole concept of going from chaos to calm, what kinds of things do you think you’ve done, or how have you structured things in your personal world as well as professionally, that really helps that to be a calm environment for you?
Dr. Anika Davis:
It was a journey, and I’m still on that journey. I think one of the things as women, even as humans, I as an organizational psychologist, I don’t have the designation to be a clinical psychologist, two totally different areas of psychology.
But I think there are a lot of us who are ADD, diagnosed and undiagnosed. We have multiple phones, we have multiple screens. I was talking with someone and she has three monitors. How do you work with three?
Dr. Karen Greene:
It’s a beautiful thing.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
We love it.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Y’all do?
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yes. I’m a multi-screen girl.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Oh my gosh. Okay, welcome to the world. You’ll have to show me how to navigate that world. There’s a book that I read. Personally, there was a book that I read called From the Gap to the Gain, and it talks about the high achiever’s guide to being content, and the idea of, I found myself going through life constantly just, “What’s the next thing? What’s the next thing? What’s the next thing?”
It talks about, and I’m not necessarily supporting or saying, but it’s a great book for folks who are never satisfied because we’re achievers. It talked about, what are you happy about? Every day, write down, what do you expect, what are you thankful for, and your accomplishments.
Personally, I’ve had to spend more time sitting with my accomplishments, whether that be … and I think a lot of times, here’s another thing, I had to redefine what success and accomplishments look like.
For example, our home, it’s my husband and I, our daughter, she’s in her second year of college, so we’re empty-nesters. On my Saturday to-do list, I will have, paint the entire house inside and out. The garage is clean, so it’s not like I have a bunch of stuff in there, but I will be upset if the whole house isn’t painted at the end of the day and I’m doing it by myself.
I needed to redefine what accomplishment meant. Whether it is taking this book and moving it to the coffee table, I did that today. That’s what I had to do personally. Professionally, I had to really think about, how am I buffering my time?
I would stack in seven, eight meetings a day, and if I didn’t, “Oh, I didn’t do anything today.” Oh my gosh, no, you accomplished a lot. I had to really think about my time. I’m not a poor time manager, but I was trying to overload myself.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Do a lot of in a scheduled time.
Dr. Anika Davis:
A lot. So I had to take some steps to really podcast, like this. Listening to audiobooks, I love doing that because it gets me into a place, and I always have my lavender nearby, my oil. I always got to do that.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
You just got to calm down.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yeah, just to calm down, just to be like, “It’s okay, breathe.” We live in this crazy world. In my practice, I talk about the terminology, VUCA, I don’t don’t know if y’all have heard of VUCA. VUCA is volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous. I think we probably all agree, we live in this VUCA world.
Now in my work, professionally more so, I’m teaching people how to navigate this VUCA world, when things are constantly changing and shifting. I always go back to … so I’m going to date myself here … the Rolodex. We all know how the Rolodex works, how you would flip the cards. “Oh, I need to call Dr. Green,” flip, flip, flip, flip, flip. You’re under G or K. She’s there.
What’s happening in our world now is we’re flipping the Rolodex mentally, cognitively, and there’s nothing there for how to deal with the scheme of this situation, so what do we do? That’s when things, the wheels kind of come off the bus, so just a lot of work personally and professionally.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s wonderful. One of the things you said, and Karen, were you about to jump in with something?
Dr. Karen Greene:
I had a question, but go ahead.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Okay. When you said you redefined what success looked like, and I was sitting there thinking, how have we redefined success professionally as a business in terms of Rosa Gynecology and personally?
One of the professional things that came to mind when she said that is when we made the decision to go to GYN only. Because I think that was an example of how we defined what success looked like for us in our business, in our medical practice.
Because being an obstetrician-gynecologist, the OB has always been the focus. That was the draw when we got into it. And so it was like, “How can I let this go?” Because this is so much a part of what I trained to do, all the time we spent in residency. And the joy, a lot of what we do in our profession, in our specialty, was really gained from being an obstetrician.
It really took mental work, I think, for us, even though we made the decision and knew why we made the decision, and the reason we did it was more of a quality of life decision, which was redefining what success looked like. We could be very busy. We could be delivering a whole bunch of babies, and we could be up all night and never see our families, and never get to go on vacation, and never get to just go out with friends and do things, but we’re successful.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Yes, that’s it.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
But are we happy and content?
Dr. Karen Greene:
When we stopped, a lot of people said, “You’re doing what?” That was … well, people do change and stop, usually as they get older, but we were unique because we all shut it down-
Dr. Mironda Williams:
At the same time.
Dr. Karen Greene:
They were like, “You’re going to do what? How are you going to do this?” I always look back to the fact that that was a scary time for us, because there were a lot of insurance issues that happened. All of a sudden we were like, “Okay, have we made the right decision?”
But thinking just like you, when you said that, I was like, “Yeah, we made that decision for the right reasons.”
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And we redefined success.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Exactly.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Expectations, there are expectations. There was the expectation, “Well, if you’re a gynecologist, naturally you deliver babies, right? Don’t you do both?” I think there’s a component of freeing ourselves sometimes from expectations and what other people … and I’m not saying I jump on this table and go crazy. No, it’s like, this is Anika. I’m learning to lean into my authenticity, who I am, because I think as a Gen Xer, we were very much taught, you have to fit the norm or the mold of what society says you’re supposed to be. If it’s anything different, you need to cast it out.
I just watch my daughter and her classmates, they’re so free in who they are. I’m like, I wish I could be-
Dr. Mironda Williams:
They’re not stuck like that.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yeah, they’re not stuck like that. They make jokes about stuff and they move on. I’m learning to tap into that. But they’re given a permission to do so, and I think there’s a time to give permission or wait for it, but to take it and give yourself permission.
Dr. Karen Greene:
That’s what I was going to ask. In raising a daughter, because I have two sons, what have you learned that you think you’ve passed on to her as a mom in both of your professional, personal, being a working mom, all of that, that she’s had to see?
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Good question.
Dr. Anika Davis:
She is super organized. Most freshmen, they have that 8:00 AM class. I never had to call my child to get up. She was already there. My husband and I were big believers in education. That’s a whole nother episode unto itself. She had 8:00 AM classes. She decided, “I want to get a job second semester.” We were like, “Ooh, I don’t know.”
But she had proven, she was an IB student right here in the county, so she was used to that rigorous coursework. And so to go to college and now only be in class two hours a day versus eight hours a day, she was like, “Oh, wow, there’s freedom here.”
She would go to work at 7:00 AM, and she was never late. They never had to say, “Where are you?” So she definitely has the organization. She has the drive. As an only, she has curiosity. She doesn’t struggle making friends, surprise, surprise.
One of the things … I’ll be totally vulnerable, and I know you have listeners, because I wish I would not have passed so much of my fear. I gave her space, but I wish, in retrospect, when I look at other people who have little kids, and I’m talking about two or three years old, I think about how … I am a hugger. I’m a kisser. She and I are best friends, and she would say the same. It’s just more of just allowing for … again, our society doesn’t make room for mistakes, so allowing that, “It’s okay, let’s just start over.”
Now as I’m learning it, I’m displaying it, and I’m checking in with her to say, “How did Mommy do on that?” And so we have that relationship where we can talk, and I look to her and my husband for guidance.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s great.
Dr. Karen Greene:
It’s never too late to say things like that.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
It’s never too late.
Dr. Karen Greene:
You think that, “Wow, I wish I had done that when they were four.” It’s like, “I can still say the same thing now at 22.”
Dr. Anika Davis:
You sure can.
Dr. Karen Greene:
It’s okay.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
It’s okay. Just as a reminder to our audience, once again, you’re listening to a wonderful conversation with Take Good Care Podcast with our amazing guest, Anika Davis. Just as a reminder, I’m Dr. Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I’m Dr. Karen Greene.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Deanna, did you have another question, or Karen?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I was going to say, organizational psychology, what does that mean? When you decided you weren’t going to do pre-med and you went to this psychology major, I know you said you went into banking, but what did you envision? When you took that psychology class and it went, “Ah-hah,” what did you envision yourself doing?
Dr. Anika Davis:
One of my very good classmates, she wanted to be a psychiatrist. I knew that wasn’t the path for me. I am definitely, as Dr. Greene said, “Sit on my couch. Tell me about yourself.” That is totally me. That’s why I’m like, “Okay, I get it.”
I was leaning more towards the clinical psychology route, so the PsyD. And then I applied for graduate school, and I was like, “I don’t know if I want to do this,” before I got in and matriculated. As I began working, I loved connecting with people, and talking with them, and learning about who they were.
And then I got into coaching, and then it became … I met someone. I always knew I wanted to have a master’s, because I told you, the whole pact I made with my sisters. Actually, one ended up becoming an MD, but she’s a forensic doctor. She does medical examiner. Forensic pathologist, that’s the technical term. The other one, she’s an NP.
We kind of held our end of the bargain. And so it’s like, “Okay, I know I don’t want to do that, but I love people and I love working with them, and I’m good at what I do in the workplace, so how do I bring these together?” As I started looking at master’s programs, fast-forward, it was 20 years after my undergrad, completed my undergraduate-
Dr. Mironda Williams:
You’re a brave soul.
Dr. Anika Davis:
So it’s a whole different world. Books are now not … I’m like, “Online, what is that even … How does that work?” At Duke, I remember a couple of months before I graduated, they said you could have an email address if you wanted one. It wasn’t required.
I found organizational psychology, loved every class, because now I’m older, I’m wiser, I’m in the workplace, I’m picking what matters to me. And then a couple of years after that, I knew I wanted to get my doctorate, but the program where I was, I like, “Oh, they don’t have the coursework that I’m looking for.”
I went on a hunt, and that’s how I found Vanderbilt. Your question about organizational psychology, can I take a moment and talk about that?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Absolutely, because what the …
Dr. Anika Davis:
Most people, they’re like, “Okay, what does that mean?” So this is how I break it down. Most people know psychology. It’s the study of behavior. And there are so many different types of psychology that’s out there.
Organizational psychology is the study of behavior in the workplace, and it is huge. When we think about the traditional HR setting, Human Resources setting, people think about, you go to them for your pay, you go to them for your benefits. If you’re having an issue with your coworker, you want a promotion, apply for a job.
People have said that I-O psych, as we call it, is HR on steroids, meaning it covers the entire gamut. There are some I-O psychologists who, for example, my space is strategic planning, organizational development, which can include a variety of different things. That could be the talent management, the employee life cycle, from attraction, to recruitment, to development, retention, and even when they leave.
I can also be, like I said, strategic planning. It could be organizational structure. Like I said to Dr. Greene, I said, “Oh, you have an org chart? Let me look at the org chart,” because that tells me a lot. There’re so many different things you can do with organizational psychology. Some are very research, some practitioners are very research-based.
I had the opportunity to do this, and one of my walks was pre-employment testing for employees. What are the skill sets? We call them KSAOs, Knowledge, Skills, Abilities, and Other Attributes that people need to perform well. It’s all of that kind rolled in together.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s amazing, wonderful, wonderful. Did y’all have anything else? I was sitting here. I’m taking notes, for those who can see us on our video channels with our website and on our YouTube channels.
One of the things that she said, or a couple of things that she mentioned, I just wanted to highlight, because I’m just taking nuggets, as I always do when Anika’s talking. I was like, “Can we just play this back?”
The one thing that we already touched on, which was we said … and I’m pointing this out for our audience, because we always are trying to make these teachable, relatable moments … when she made the statement that it’s okay to redefine success.
As you go throughout your different phases of life, it’s okay to redefine your success. The other thing that she just mentioned as she was talking about how she went from one thing to the other in her career path is when she got into the master’s programs and things, she says, “I am now picking what matters to me.”
I think that, like you said, when you become older and wiser, you can key into that. But also, we don’t have to always get to the older and wiser, people. It’s okay to pick what matters to you and don’t be defined or put in the box that others may define for you. I had to write those down.
Dr. Anika Davis:
My husband’s an engineer, I’m a psychologist. Our daughter says, “I want to be a writer.” I’m looking like, okay.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Where did that come from?
Dr. Anika Davis:
Right, where did that come from? How did that happen? It’s funny, because my husband and I are both right-handed. She’s left-handed. I’m like, “How do two right-handed people …” but of course, you know genetics.
Anyway, either my husband and I, we weren’t the type … I’ve been labeled as a tiger mom, whatever that means. We could have a whole other episode about that.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yes, because I don’t know what that is.
Dr. Anika Davis:
It’s about your education. My parents were that way, my grandparents were that way. They understood the power of education coming up in New York City, in the public housing. It’s funny, because people don’t reconcile the world. They think if you came from that world, you can’t be in this world, or if you’re in this world, that wasn’t your past. It’s yet again, another episode.
But I say that to say, she’s like, “I want to be a writer.” And we had the opportunity to say, “No, this is the path you need to go on, or this is where you’re happy.” What makes you happy? What makes you thrive? What can you do with who you are, where you are right now?
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yeah, that’s amazing. That’s good. Again, good question, all of us.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Good questions, good nuggets. I wanted to know, in your Saturday where you’re painting the house, what else do you do for self-care? What do you do for fun, other than go to the gym?
Dr. Anika Davis:
For fun, one of the things that I … and this is part of that discipline. I have to be intentional about slowing down. My brain is always click, click, click, click, click, so Sudoku. I am very tactile, so I will get the old school book where you have to use a pencil and paper. That’s one of my happy places.
What else do I do? I have my favorite TV shows, but I try not to watch anything that’s too out there, because that’s real life right now.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
It’s not fiction anymore. We were just talking about that.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Rom-coms.
Dr. Anika Davis:
That’s it, rom-coms, a lot of that.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And Christmas movies if you have to.
Dr. Anika Davis:
That’s it, all year round.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
All year round, yes. Thank you. Hello, I have been validated. One of the other questions we’ve been having is joy buckets, or what do you do just for fun? And so the three of us have had some struggles identifying those things that we do for fun. I can watch a Christmas movie in the heat of August.
I think it was in January or February, I was communicating with Karen for something. I said, “You know what? They took Jingle Jangle off of Netflix.” She was like, “Did they really?” I’m like, “Well, I’m not finding it. I’m not finding it.” And then eventually I look, I’m like, “Ah, they didn’t take it. I just couldn’t find it.” I can watch Jingle Jangle whenever I want to. And it’s okay, because it makes me happy.
Dr. Anika Davis:
That’s it. That’s it. The world, like I said, is so crazy. So what do we need to do to compress? One of the things recently I’ve started doing, you taught me about stretching. We take a stretch class. She’s like, “I stretch every day.” I’m like, “I stretch once a week.” I’m like, okay.
Now, instead of just hopping out of the bed … See, another thing, I don’t check my phone when I first wake up. No shade to people who do. I don’t pick it up. It depends on how you have your settings, like your apps and stuff. There might be news on there that I don’t want to start my day with, me personally, whether it’s from family or it could be that ceiling. It could be that person that it’s just like, “Oh, I don’t want to start my day …” No shade to anybody. Love my family. Love you all.
It’s like, “Okay, I want to breathe first.” I’ll sit up, put my feet on the floor, and I’ll take a moment just to breathe. I’m here. Okay, nothing hurts. You got to do the check.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
[inaudible 00:26:50] I didn’t sprain my back during sleep.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Then also I think for fun too, my husband and I are able to date a lot more these days. Connect with people, find out like you said, “Oh, I love rom-coms,” or nothing too … “I love travel.” When I slow down long enough to travel, my daughter just got accepted to a study abroad, so guess where mama’s going to be this summer?
Dr. Karen Greene:
That’s right. Where is it?
Dr. Anika Davis:
It’s amazing. Her school, Emerson, they do what’s called the James Baldwin Writers Colony, and they retrace his steps through Europe.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s amazing.
Dr. Anika Davis:
We just found out last week while she was here. She’s going to start off in the Netherlands, and then they’re going to go to Paris, and I think also London. So gosh darn it, mama has to take one for the team.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Just got to go visit, oh my goodness.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Paris? I hate it for you.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Life is so hard.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s amazing.
Dr. Anika Davis:
So those are my happy places.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Those are great.
Dr. Karen Greene:
You got anything else?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
One question, in your work, what is a common … and instead of using the word problem … opportunity that you see with most corporations or companies?
Dr. Anika Davis:
I love that. Being stuck, being stuck, and this is how we’ve always done it, so we’re going to continue to do it that way. Again, when we think about COVID, COVID is the example that I like to use because we all experienced it. Even though we experienced it in our own unique way, when you say it, people understand it, versus I had a baby, or I went and got a doctorate degree, or whatever the case may be.
In COVID land, there were a lot of things that were broken and damaged beyond repair. What keeps happening, it’s like there’s a bridge that’s been washed out and we took that bridge every day to work. The bridge is now gone, but we’re sitting there waiting instead of trying to find a new route.
I like to use the term innovation because in my doctoral studies, I studied innovation. Innovation is more than just technology. It can be a novel idea, a new way of doing something, that type of thing, and being stuck.
So that’s the short answer to it. How are we evolving with the times in order to be … and I think sometimes people hear that, Dr. Guthrie as, “I have to compromise who I am.” You can evolve and not compromise who you are.
How do you use the tools, like generative AI, is an example that I use in one of my worlds. It’s like, “How do I use it ethically in a way that adds value, that I can support not only myself and learn, but also support others?” I think it’s being stuck.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s amazing. Great question and great segue. We are coming to the end of this episode of Take Good Care Podcast. As you can see, you understand why we have adopted Anika. She’s not going anywhere. She’ll be with us forever. As long as there’s a Rosa Gynecology, there will be a connection, because she has been an amazing-
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
She’s part of our … I can’t even say the word … organizational chart.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Yes, I love it.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
There it is.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Thank you.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Absolutely. You all are going to have to stay tuned for the next episode, because we’re going to continue this conversation and get really into Dr. Guthrie’s question, how she has really impacted our business, Rosa Gynecology, get us unstuck. Please stay tuned to the next episode as we continue this conversation.
As always, we thank you for listening. We thank you for sharing us with your friends and family. Continue to look for us wherever you get your podcasts. Until we meet again, I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I’m Dr. Karen Green.
Group:
Take good care.
Dr. Karen Greene:
That was so great.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
That was great.
Dr. Anika Davis:
Oh, it was? Okay-