Our physicians are joined by Susan May, Ph.D., for “The Losses We Carry in Silence: Understanding Unrecognized Grief in Women” — a thoughtful conversation exploring the invisible layers of grief women often carry silently and how naming these experiences can create space for clarity, connection, and healing.
Transcript
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Welcome to Take Good Care Podcast.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
An endeavor that grew out of our love for obstetrics and gynecology.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Our aim and mission is to serve as a source of vital information for women of all races, ages and walks in life.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
I am Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I am Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I am Dr. Karen Greene. Welcome to our show.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Welcome to our show.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Welcome to our show.
Welcome to today’s episode of Take Good Care Podcast. I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I am Dr. Karen Greene.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Today we are so excited to have an in-studio guest with us, Dr. Susan May. And Dr. May came to our attention in a way that was kind of amusing. My partner, Dr. Greene, we got this flyer in the mail and she says, “Oh, Mironda, look, there’s a new psychologist in the area. Maybe she’ll be good for the podcast.” And so I get the flyer and I’m like, “Oh, she looks lovely. Yes, let’s see if we can do that.”
So then I call her and then we immediately had a connection and a bond.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And I was like, “I’m so glad to have you in the area. We’ve been looking.” And she goes, “I’m not new to the area.”
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
25 years, right.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
So Dr. May, please tell us and tell the audience just a little bit about your background, how long you’ve been in the area, where your practices are located and all that good stuff.
Dr. Susan May:
Certainly, certainly. I have been a licensed clinical psychologist for over 30 years. I’ve been in the Fayette County area close to 20 years or more, raised my kids here.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, wow.
Dr. Susan May:
And been practicing at A New Start Counseling in Fayetteville, Georgia for a very long time.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, okay.
Dr. Susan May:
I work with a lot of couples and families, and been doing it and grateful. And in addition to the therapeutic work, I do a lot of other fun ways of connecting with people, whether this opportunity and others in the community, and that kind of thing.
The flyer came because, like you guys and why I feel like kindred spirits is we get to stages in our careers where either our lived experiences or just whatever is the compelling factor, it’s time to make a shift. Time to redefine. And so the flyer was born out of that. Not new to the area, but trying to refine the scope.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yeah, yeah. Which is exactly, that’s why you see when we started talking I said, “Oh, God, I know exactly what she’s saying.” Because the same thing we’ve been, well, the practice has been here over 40 years, but we’ve all been here 30-ish of those years.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
But we’ve gone through an evolution and a realignment, and we’ve just done a lot of things. We’ve been podcasting now for six years.
Dr. Susan May:
Oh, what a blessing.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
It’s been really good and has grown. And recently, we did a strategic planning brainstorming session and came up with what we’re calling the pillars of this podcast, the Take Good Care pillars. Body care, mind and emotional care, spiritual care, financial care, and then life and relationship care. So when you and I connected, and just with everything that was going, we’re like, “Oh, good. This is right at the perfect timing.”
And so our schedules aligned and so we were able to get you in because of course, what we’ll be talking about today, and Dr. May suggested this topic. Before we start talking even more, I just want to make sure that even the ladies here present as well as our audience understands that we’re going to be talking about something, beginning the conversation about a topic that can be hard. Hard to articulate, hard to process. Because we’re going to be talking about the losses we carry in silence, understanding unrecognized grief in women.
So there may be some things that we talk about that may bring up some emotions, bring up some memories. And we want to make sure that we encourage our audience to reach out to your resources. This is not to substitute for any individual work or counseling that you may seek, but hopefully to encourage all of us to continue to seek the kind of counseling and support that we need so that we can continue on to be full and vibrant and human, totally human, and all that that means.
Dr. Guthrie, why don’t you get started with just a couple of general questions for our guest?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Okay, sure. So-
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, Dr. Guthrie, how did y’all let me forget?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I know, we keep forgetting.
Dr. Karen Greene:
We get started and we just get into it.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
We get started and I’m just like, production is back there waving and I’m thinking, “Oh, he’s just saying hi.” No. We are live and on the air.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Oh, oh.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
So now, Dr. Guthrie.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Okay. Well, Dr. May, since you’ve been in the area for so long, what would you say is one of the best and most memorable parts of your career that you’ve had so far?
Dr. Susan May:
Wow, it’s a tough one. I’m grateful for a varied career, if you will. But honestly, the most memorable aspects I would say are the quiet moments. They’re not the major career transitions. I get and feel quite honored to have a front row view when people are gaining some insight or a family is connecting, reconnecting in a way. I deal with a lot of estranged families, a lot of generational challenges. And when you’re able to enter that realm and have that look of growth and change, it feels like an honor and it’s cool.
Dr. Karen Greene:
That’s good.
Dr. Susan May:
That’s the coolest part, yeah.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
What made you choose this path?
Dr. Susan May:
Honestly, you know what, from a young age, my curiosity about what makes people tick and understanding. My parents had my brothers and I travel globally when I was young and both were educators. And so the way we were looking out of our windows and noticing differences in people, and families and culture. So the curiosity about what makes us tick and how those experiences through life linger for us started way young.
And so it was just a kind of natural evolution as I went through school that this was a logical career where I could explore that. And also, knew I would never want to do the same thing my whole life. And so it gave me opportunity to branch out in a lot of directions.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
So did you start out with psychology in college and things like that, knowing that?
Dr. Susan May:
Well, I kind of did. My high school psychology class was the first class that I found myself being stoked by. I’d come into class and I looked forward to what we were learning next. So I kind of said, “Maybe I’ll major in psychology.”
My dad, however, was very pragmatic-
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
As dad’s can be.
Dr. Susan May:
… and took me to the library to the dictionary and occupational titles. He was an accounting and business college professor.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Is this going to make money?
Dr. Karen Greene:
That’s not going to make you any money.
Dr. Susan May:
“What are you going to do with this?” And so that, and then luckily, my brother Bryan was at Cornell. I mentioned I wanted to major in-
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Uh-oh.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Oh, my gosh.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Another connection.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Uh-oh.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
I went to Cornell!
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Uh-oh.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Susan May:
We’ll talk later.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
I never meet other people who are from Cornell in the South.
Dr. Susan May:
Yeah, but what was so cool is that I mentioned it to him and your school had such amazing resources. I get in the mail at Mount Holyoke, this Cornell’s Guide to Graduate School in Clinical Psychology.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Wow.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Wow.
Dr. Susan May:
That specific [inaudible 00:07:39]. And so I basically, and it took me through freshman year on-
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Just followed it.
Dr. Susan May:
I followed it the instructions and everything moved very smoothly.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
That’s amazing.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
The universe was listening.
Dr. Susan May:
It was, yes.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Definitely, definitely, definitely.
Dr. Karen Greene:
When you talk about realigning, and we just mentioned how we’ve realigned things in terms of our vision, our mission and our values, so coming up with a statement took a long time for us.
Dr. Susan May:
Wow.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And what we came up with was we envision a sustainable future led by healers of women. And so as a healer of women, we’re compassionate care, connection and innovation, allow women and communities to truly thrive.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
So that’s our vision. And in that realm, just looking, we see a lot of women who are dealing with grief. And why do you think women are expected to just push through?
Dr. Susan May:
It is an interesting thing. I think culturally, we’re the caregivers. And often, we even talk about the pride that we have in holding it down, keeping it going, being there for our kids. So I don’t think that we even realize sometimes the things, the weight that we carry. And women, the notion that we process emotions better than men and so then there’s this assumption that that means that we’re actually processing our grief and our loss. And in fact, it’s often not the case. We know how to function.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s true.
Dr. Susan May:
We function during a lot of difficulty.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
We function through our grief.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Yeah.
Dr. Susan May:
And that’s very different than really coping and processing.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I think that we’re caregivers, as you mentioned. And so how do you see in your practice how that’s affecting how we are caregivers in terms of, like you just said, functioning? What other aspects does it affect when we’re, especially those of us stuck in that sandwich generation?
Dr. Susan May:
In the sandwich generation, having lived that as well, it is that focus on others. The prioritizing how to keep all the balls in the air and make sure everybody else’s needs are met and so the focus is outward. And neglecting that look in the mirror, not really paying attention to the twinge or the backache that you’re assuming is just from those groceries you carried. Yeah, those are challenges.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Dr. Guthrie, because I’m just sitting here thinking, before you go on, because you struck something that I really wanted to look at a little bit more about the difference between functioning through grief and processing your grief.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Can you talk a little bit more about the processing of grief? Because I don’t know if I’ve heard it mentioned in that way, to really process it through. But when you say, “No, we don’t really process, we function.”
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Which is why we understand the function part.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Right.
Dr. Susan May:
Yeah. And I as women, women are often supported and encouraged to express our emotions. “Here’s what I’m feeling, I’m going to keep it real about what I’m feeling. I just tell the truth.”
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Keep it 100.
Dr. Susan May:
Keep it 100. So we can express what we feel. But again, our functioning is about the actions, the tasks. Am I handling the business of life? Am I meeting the needs that others have of me?
Processing emotion is very different. It’s being able to sit in the discomfort. And I think that is the thing that is counterintuitive. You don’t go back to touch the hot stove. We learn early that discomfort is associated with pain and pain is bad, not good. Who wants to hurt? And really, it’s quite the opposite.
What I’ve learned through my lived experiences as well as professional experiences is just that we really have to, it sounds a little crazy, but seek the discomfort. And that’s necessary because it’s just honest, it’s just a true dimension of what it is to be human. We rejoice in the exciting things and the blessings, and somehow want to harness or limit the experience of the other side of the coin. I call it the divine design, but it’s just not how we’re really designed optimally. We have our thoughts and we have our emotions and parts of the brain that are devoted to the interplay of those things, and that’s not by mistake.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
What’s the difference between, or is there a difference between processing grief and then those stages of grief that everybody has heard about?
Dr. Karen Greene:
We all learned-
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Yeah, we had to learn in medical school.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
In medical school.
Dr. Susan May:
I think over the years, most research and most folks who talk about grief these days appreciate the foundation of the Kubler-Ross stages, but are no longer really viewing that as the model of grief that we really look at. And we recognize that while each of those domains are components of grief, we don’t go through them in particular laid out stages. And we often are revisiting stages. So does that answer your question?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Yeah.
Dr. Susan May:
Okay.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Because I remember learning that you don’t have to go through them in order.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
There’s no set time-
Dr. Susan May:
That’s true.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
… limit for each one. It’s not two weeks here or six weeks here, or whatever.
Dr. Susan May:
Sure.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
And you don’t even have to go through every stage.
Dr. Susan May:
It’s so very individualized. Even culturally, how we understand death, how we look at loss. And so it’s just going to be very tailored to each person’s experience.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Yeah, that’s interesting because I was sitting here thinking the cultural differences. And I’m thinking about another guest we had a couple of seasons back, Dr. Carla Booker. And she actually wrote a little book detailing the experiences that she had when she lost her husband. And one of the things she brought out about how she processed that grief, writing about it was one of the ways that she started to deal with those emotions. But the other thing that she had us say, she hated the term loss. Because she says, “No, I didn’t lose him. He died.”
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
“He is no longer here in this space.”
Dr. Susan May:
Right.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
But she felt that she still had him
Dr. Susan May:
Had him, his presence.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And that was really mind-opening for me as well. We were saying before about some things being emotionally triggering. All three of us have, over the last several years, lost my mother, fathers, brothers, mothers. We’ve had very close bond deaths in the family. And though when she said that, I remember thinking, “No, my mom isn’t lost, she’s just not here physically.”
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
But I still can sense her. And I remember when I was having a particular difficult time not long after my mom died and Carla called me, and I was just really emotional. And she was like, “Oh, what’s going on?” I miss my mama, I miss my mama. And so she said, “Well, what do you remember about your mom?” And it was that simple question, I just started thinking about the things I remembered about my mother.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes, yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And it was like that weight of the missing her, the feeling of loss lifted.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Because I’m like, “Oh, no, I remember my mom. I remember those things.”
Dr. Susan May:
I think that’s the wonderful thing and I think when I talk again about this divine design, why do we have all these different cognitive abilities? Why do we have longterm memory? Is it for the SAT? That just intuitively doesn’t make sense.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
That part.
Dr. Susan May:
So what’s the evolutionary reason? What’s the reason for us as human beings to have those capacities? And I think that is the gift and that is why taking advantage of every moment to create memories matters in real time because that’s what lives on. That’s what we’re able to pull from.
I would be remiss if I didn’t state very clearly I’ve had some of the worst, profound losses. I lost two of my three sons within nine months a few years ago. So grief, the journey is one I’m very intimately still immersed in. And I comment because that notion of loss is an interesting concept because there is no question that the presence of my loved ones, my sons, my parents, grandparents, et cetera, is all around me. Whether it’s my youngest son’s son, who’s looking at me with those same long eyelashes and the dimple. Or whether or not I’m dealing with, it’s hard to explain, just the memories that come.
At the same time, when I think of loss, it isn’t so much loss, but the yearning. The yearning doesn’t really diminish. And so I don’t necessarily consider it, I don’t use the word loss there, but I have this interesting balance between I can do many things that bring them to me and fill my heart and make me smile. Simultaneously, I’m very aware of the empty spaces and very aware of the chapters that I expected that are not going to be written as I expected.
And so it’s complicated. Grief is just not simple and it’s not easily defined. People talk about grief, when you think you’re doing well, you’re jamming, and then all of a sudden you don’t know what the heck just happened. And that’s why I say, again, not being afraid of discomfort, but understanding it.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That that is a part of the process.
Dr. Susan May:
How can I love so deeply and not hurt like hell?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Right, right.
Dr. Susan May:
It just wouldn’t make sense.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Right.
Dr. Karen Greene:
It’s interesting you say that because I remember … I admittedly don’t deal with grief well.
Dr. Susan May:
Okay.
Dr. Karen Greene:
I fully admit that.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And it came to a head when I lost my mom during COVID. Not to COVID, but I lost her during COVID.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And so when you say functioning and processing, I fully believe that I functioned really well.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Did I process it?
Dr. Susan May:
Right.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Not so much.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And so the leaning into the discomfort is something that is a goal for me.
Dr. Susan May:
Yes.
Dr. Karen Greene:
I said to my husband yesterday, I said, “You know, people are just leaving this Earth.” And it’s friends and it’s children of friends, and it’s a lot of different people and it all hits me in a different way. And that whole processing and leaning into the discomfort I guess is an interesting way of thinking that’s what I need to do better of.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And it’s emotional discomfort.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Yes.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Because I’m sitting here, she’s, okay, that’s the heavy weightlifter. That’s the middle weight fighter. I’m definitely a lightweight.
Dr. Susan May:
You’re a lightweight.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
And I’m sitting here thinking as you were talking, Karen, that when it comes to working out and pushing yourself physically, because she’s always telling me, “D.”
Dr. Susan May:
Okay.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Because when I talk to her, “The workout killed me,” she’d go, “But did you die?”
Dr. Karen Greene:
But did you die?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
No, really, Karen, that’s not what I’m looking to hear right now. But I guess we make ourselves I guess more comfortable with pushing ourselves physically and understanding it’s got to hurt a little bit as you’re building your muscle and all this other kind of stuff. But when it comes to emotional discomfort, that’s when we’re like, “I’m not trying to hurt my heart.”
Dr. Susan May:
And I love the analogy you’re making because if we think about it like that. My discovery of how high our pain tolerance really is is really striking. And you don’t look at the pain in the gym as a bad thing. You know you’re pushing, you know you’re developing. And so the same really is true emotionally. That we build the capacity to lean in, to understand and endure even the difficult, uncomfortable emotions by experiencing them.
I think it’s important for us as parents. I deal with that a lot with the parents I deal with. We’re not preparing our kids really for the realities. And in wanting them not to feel discomfort, we’re not preparing them for the discomfort that’s inevitable. So working out the emotional muscles is just as important.
Dr. Karen Greene:
What’s one of the biggest misconceptions about grief that you think?
Dr. Susan May:
To me, again, particularly when it comes to women, I think it lies back in that whole area of this notion that we deal with emotions. And because we’re more emotional, that somehow that’s an area that we’ve got it, we can handle it. And again, it’s just really just not true.
Part of why I thought of the topic really wasn’t even about the more profound grief that we’re each talking about in terms of the death of loved ones. But just how many people, women I see in my practice or in my sister circle of friends and family who are on the outside well put together and jamming, and by all intents and purposes doing well. But when they speak, something feels off inside. And very often, it isn’t the huge things. There are a lot of cumulative, and I’m going to use that word losses again, that are subtle and very different. But each of us probably have had times in our lives when we’ve been carrying that type of loss as well. And so having a greater awareness of it, because we don’t recognize something doesn’t mean it goes away.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
True.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Now do you mean different types of losses? We’re mainly talking about death, that’s just one loss, but you can have a loss of a relationship, a loss of a job, a loss of …
Dr. Susan May:
I think of an example, even an identity.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Yeah. I’m sorry.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
All of us went, “Oh, yeah.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Why did that get so loud?
Dr. Mironda Williams:
You and me both. I was like, “Listen.”
Dr. Susan May:
It comes to mind to me that was way early, and I don’t know why this just popped in, maybe because I talked about my sons. But I was a tennis player, I loved sports in high school and everything, and even as a young adult in Atlanta, ALTA and USTA and everything. And then I have three sons and so I remembered many years back, but Brennan was a very competitive baseball player. All the boys were good athletes. So here I am going from field to field, and I’m excited about the … For me, it was like, “Oh, you just missed the home run.” That was my story. I was like, “Oh, come on. I was up …” They’re two years difference, this is crazy.
But I’m sorry, where I was trying to go with that. And I’m trying to think of where was I trying to go with that? I can recall sometimes sitting in the stands and it didn’t linger, but I was really excited about being there, but I also realized that I preferred being a player than a spectator. I missed being part of a team. And I started hearing myself call myself an ex-athlete.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Oh, wow.
Dr. Susan May:
And I would do that a lot. I was like, “Oh, yeah, I’m an ex-athlete.” And then all of a sudden, I was at a friend’s vision board party actually and I said it out loud. And I was like, “Wait a minute. No, I’m still an athlete, I just haven’t been doing sports.” And immediately got back to practice with the tennis team even though I didn’t get in the lineup right away.
But yeah. But loss can happen in many ways. We talked about the caregiver who just loses the time and attention to self. But there are just many, many … I have a woman who is terribly excited because she got a promotion that she had been really vying for. However, of course, having that promotion now means she’s traveling like crazy and she always envisioned this life where she was going to be balanced, because it was her own business, balancing that mom role and her professional role and she had this perfect sense of it. And it all went out the window as she got her dream job.
So even sometimes the vision of what is going to fulfill us, we realize when we get it, every transition to something is leaving something.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Is leaving something.
Dr. Susan May:
And so all kinds of times, we have to deal with the loss of something that grounded us or made us feel that the world is normal, or who am I questions.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
The identity part.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Did you have another question, Dr. Guthrie?
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
No, not from me.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Now, and this has been very rich conversation, and even though we’ll have to get her back for the next segment to talk about it even more. Before we do close up today, give us a little bit to lead us into the next part of our conversations about unrecognized grief. How does that show itself? How does that look?
Dr. Susan May:
Yeah. So again, when we don’t address our experiences, and we’re talking grief in particular, we’re going to notice irritability, anxiety. We don’t know why, we’re just having an inner tension. Disconnection. We will have fatigue, joint paint, you name it. It’s going to manifest and show up somewhere, and maybe we can talk more about that in another opportunity in terms of really understanding the role of the emotions are. There’s really a job they have to do. And so when we don’t lean in and we don’t engage, we’re actually short-circuiting our system. And if you short-circuit the system, it’s got to show up somewhere. And so again, it could be, “What’s wrong with you? Why are you so grumpy?”
Dr. Mironda Williams:
And then you can’t really articulate what it is.
Dr. Susan May:
You can’t articulate it because there’s not a specific thing that’s happening right now. And when people pause and we can put words to our experiences, again, this is part of what activates our divine design. It activates the human operating system. They’re these different things that get us going in terms of how we’re going to adapt, adjust, evolve despite the adversity, despite the roadblocks. And so our emotional system is actually a key part of that for us as people.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Right, right. That’s wonderful.
So now, audience, you can see why we were so excited to have Dr. May with us. And as we’re closing up today’s episode, just please let everyone know how they can reach out to you if they want to seek you out just for additional counseling or information. How can they find you?
Dr. Susan May:
It’s my pleasure. Locally here at A New Start Counseling Center, anewstartcounseling.com we can be reached. Follow me on Instagram, @journeywithdrmay. Lately, I haven’t been posting as much. Just again, life getting in the way in a variety of ways. Similar to what you guys are talking about, I’m kind of excited about the next burst that’s about to come because I’ve been developing some ideas.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Awesome.
Dr. Susan May:
So that would be another way. I’m also PSYPACT licensed. I don’t know if you know about PSYPACT, but we now have the national licensure or certification. So I am able to see clients in, I think we’re up to maybe 38 states now.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Oh, wow.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Oh, wow.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
That’s wonderful.
Dr. Susan May:
And so I have both the ability to do that virtually and short term in-person. And so folks can reach out even through my LinkedIn.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
Wonderful.
Dr. Karen Greene:
Wonderful.
Dr. Mironda Williams:
Well, we’re going to make sure that we link all of that information onto our website, as well as onto the various platforms where you’ll be able to find this podcast. Please continue to share everything with your friends, your family. Let them know we’ve got amazing guests that we’re bringing onto the podcast that are giving us all kinds of insight and information. You can always reach out to us at rosagynecology.com for any of the information that you may see on this podcast or any of the other previous podcasts. You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, all the social media outlets. And so we’re excited that we’ll be getting Dr. May back very soon to continue this wonderful conversation. But until we meet again, I’m Dr. Mironda Williams.
Dr. Deanna Guthrie:
I’m Dr. Deanna Guthrie.
Dr. Karen Greene:
And I am Dr. Karen Greene. Take good care.